Tesla has confirmed its latest bait-and-switch: Cybertruck owners will not get the Autosteer feature they paid for.
Instead, they will get a year of ‘Supervised Full Self-Driving’.
When Tesla started delivering the Cybertruck in late 2023, the software was incomplete, especially regarding its Advanced Driver Assist System (ADAS) features like ‘Supervised (FSD) Full Self-Driving’, which was included in the price of all early Cybertrucks.
It took Tesla almost a year to start releasing its FSD on the Cybertruck.
After Tesla stopped making new Cybertruck Foundation Series, which are fully loaded with all options, buyers started to have the option of buying the $8,000 FSD package or keeping only the Autopilot package, which is included in the price.
Autopilot’s two main features are Traffic Aware Cruise Control and Autosteer. The first is self-explanatory, while Autosteer is Tesla’s name for active lane keeping.
The vast majority of Tesla vehicle owners don’t buy the FSD package.
As of now, 16 months after Tesla started delivering the Cybertruck, the automaker has yet to deliver Autosteer on the electric pickup truck.
Today, Tesla started reaching out to Cybertruck owners to let them know that it won’t make Autosteer available for Cybertruck owners who haven’t bought FSD:
“As we improve our Autopilot technology, our feature sets will change. Accordingly, Autosteer will not be available for Cybertruck outside of Full Self-Driving (Supervised).“
Instead, Tesla offers a year of free FSD trial to Cybertruck owners.
More details in the article.
My favorite part is how they’re now saying both "full self-driving’ and “supervised”.
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Despite that people love to talk about Tesla and also cybertrucks, this is reminder to never buy anything for promised features. If you wouldn’t be happy with the existing features just don’t buy it.
Oh well, atleast they are making bank running the Tesla as automated robo taxis while they aren’t using them like Elon promised.
I don’t feel bad for anyone that was dumb enough to buy Elon’s crappy products.
umm… good? This might actually might have saved some lives.
By not delivering lane-keeping? I appreciate the unreasoning hatred, but some reasoning would be good too.
Sometimes, my lane assist function thinks that random pot holes and scabby bits of road are lanes and tries to push me over into the path of other cars without warning.
I turned it off.
My car is not a tesla, but from what i understand about teslas, they are prone to this same issue.
So besides Trump and Musk being passionate fuck buddies, how is this legal? Surely this is fraud and deceit right?
A fine is just a fee for breaking the law.
Lmao they put lane-keeping assist behind a marketing-wank paywall for their already expensive EVs - something manufacturers like Subaru and Hyundai has made standard across their entire line for years now
What a sad joke this company has become, another example of failed leadership valuing yes-men and sycophancy
I rode in a 2019 Subaru Ascent (like a big Outback) a few years ago, the lane keep assist was great even back then, not to mention the blind spot monitoring and all that. and it was all included. wtf is Tesla even doing with all that time and money??
My base model 2019 Sonata has pretty decent blind spot monitoring too. A couple of days after I got the car it’s blind spot monitoring saw a speeding vehicle going too fast for me to see it coming (they turned off of another street a handful of houses up then must’ve floored the gas) as I was backing out and went flying past. It literally saw the speeding car through another vehicle and gave me enough warning to stop safely.
Sometimes it does yell at me that a fence is present at the edge of the lane I’m merging into, but it’s just alerting beeping that can be disabled with 1 physical button press so it’s very useful for rush hour beltline driving, even if I have yet to have it spot a vehicle I haven’t in any other situations
Yeah, plus the assist feature shuts itself off when it can’t be used (ie. driving into the sun) unlike Tesla’s version that instead chooses to ram you into a building then blames you for it by disengaging 0.1 seconds before the collision.
I love mine. Combined with adaptive cruise, it’s amazing for slowly rolling traffic, longer journeys, and stop-and-go traffic. I’m under no impression the car is ‘driving’ but having a machine take over the mental load is great and frees up that capacity for other driving tasks and/or awareness of the road.
Tesla calling that technology “Auto” anything without it being genuinely 100% autonomous should have landed someone a fat fine or jail time
Kinda like how autopilot works in planes
Seriously what is it with the Archer writers having far more subject matter expertise (and creating jokes by depicting accurate reactions to action movie tropes) than almost any other show?
I also ove how Archer keeps track of how many shots he’s fired and they accurately depict how important ammo management is, like how Lana only carries 2 magazines for her tec-9s and it gets her in trouble cause she’s not a great shot lol
It’s going to Elon Musk bank account.
Hyundai Lanekeep is better than teslas too
It’s absolutely pitiful that they can’t figure out lane-keeping when a cars a fraction of the price have it.
It’s also a huge red flag that they are shipping “self driving” but can’t do lane keep assist.
They’ve “figured out” lane-keeping - they’re just keeping it reserved for FSD. It’s in FSD. They’re just now flipping to not offer it as a standalone feature, which don’t get me wrong is a shitty move.
Is that the same lane-keeping that Full-Self-Drives into concrete barriers? https://www.cnn.com/2024/04/08/tech/tesla-trial-wrongful-death-walter-huang
Autopilot != full self driving, firstly
Secondly, well done you found that the software in testing wasn’t perfect. Gold Star for you!
I have this on my Honda Fit for fuck’s sake.
Oh they know how to do it. They are just desperate to swindle existing owners since their vehicle sales have fallen off a cliff.
I don’t think they can, because they’re suffering so much from the rectal-cranial inversion that Musk started with his FSD.
Muskrat insists on using computer vision entirely, and building it in-house. Tesla (probably EM) as I recall also insulted MobilEye so they refuse to do business with them. Mind you, I think lane keeping is generally a computer vision problem.
FSD has lane-keeping in it. It’s not up for debate if they can do it or not, because they’ve been doing it for years.
Also I’m not sure what other technology you think they would use for lane-keeping other than cameras and “computer vision”? Things like Lidar don’t work for this because lidar can’t see lane markers. The only way to do it is with cameras.
Both. You can use both LiDAR and optical teaming, the technologies complement each other so you don’t fall for a Looney-Tunes ass painted wall, while the camera covers the one-dimensional recognition that LiDAR can’t.
[Tesla] removed radars from its vehicle lineup and even deactivated already installed radars in existing vehicles. This strategy has not yet been worth it since Tesla’s systems are still stuck at level 2 driver assist systems.
Lidar does not help with seeing lane markers. At all. Radar can’t see painted lines on a road.
That looney tunes wall “test” was ridiculous and Rober was rightly raked over the coals and lost a lot of respect over it. It was basically a marketing stunt by his friends LiDAR company, and was full of dishonesty such as poorly photoshopped phones and lies such as not even using the self driving while smashing into the wall. These glaring flaws have been covered extensively.
Honestly, while not a scientifically rigerous test, it does demonstrate through absurdity the real risks of computer vision only for driver assist features.
Real world examples including of course the Tesla that plowed into a white truck on a foggy day because it mistook the truck for absolutely nothing among too many others
If only they didn’t fake it to get their desired result, then maybe it could have been useful.
I agree that LiDAR and other technologies should be used in conjunction with regular cameras. I don’t know why anyone would be against that unless they have vested interests. For various reasons though I understand that it isn’t always possible - price being a big one.
Buy from a con-man, get conned. Whoop-de-doo-de-doo.
every non-vandalized cybertruck is an affront to decent society
Isn’t Supervised Full Self-Driving an oxymoron? How can it be both Supervised and Full Self-Driving?
How can it be both Supervised and Full Self-Driving?
It is not all the same.
You are full.
The car is self driving.
Tesla’s interns in India are supervising both you and the car.It finally makes sense
Just like Amazon’s walk in walk out stores where Indian people did the actual checkout for them…
But I haven’t eaten since lunch yesterday 🥲
You know, some are full of solids, some… fluids, and some… even superfluous :)
Fully man… fully.
It can’t be both. It’s not self-driving. That’s just what they call it to oversell it. I’m assuming they had to add the “Supervised” part for legal reasons.
They should get fined for being ambiguous and be forced to call it what it is.
It’s called what it is because of the laws that demand any self driving/automated driving be “supervised” and require regular checks that the driver is paying attention.
You’re essentially saying that Tesla should be made to do something that they’re already doing.
Supervised self driving would be fine. “Full self driving” means SAE level 4 or 5, which the Tesla autopilot isn’t, and they don’t need “supervised” in the name as they are specifically for a situations where there simply is no driver - like a robotaxi - so there can be no supervision.
Autopilot and FSD are completely different things.
FSD (Supervised) is not for situations where there is no driver - it’s for situations where the driver wants to just supervise while the car drives itself.
Where is this confusion around FSD and autopilot coming from all of a sudden?
FSD (Supervised) is not for situations where there is no driver - it’s for situations where the driver wants to just supervise while the car drives itself.
The “(Supervised) Full Self Driving” isn’t for situations where the car is Full Self Driving, because Tesla has no functionality that meets SAE level 3/4/5 requirements for Full Self Driving. If you must supervise the driving, then it’s not full self driving.
Not a confusing naming at all.
If you must supervise the driving, then it’s not full self driving
You’re just making your own rules up now lol. You also don’t seem to understand what “supervised” means, nor the laws around cars and drivers. Teslas FSD is in use on roads now. Fully driverless cars are not legally allowed yet - they all need to have a driver in the drivers seat supervising, even if they literally never have to do a single thing.
Supervised Full Self-Driving seems like a euphemism for driving with a driving instructor. You fully drive yourself but someone supervises you while you do it.
The actual answer: It should be Level 4 autonomy. It is capable of full self driving, but only in certain conditions.
Do note that Tesla autopilot is actually only SAE level 2, so it’s just a straight up lie :)
Its because Elon Musk is an oxy moron
Parentheses, duh.
No it’s not.
It fully drives itself, but legally you need to “supervise” it. It’s called that because of the laws around driving a car.
Tesla is the Fyre Festival of automotive manufacturers, except in this case Billy has managed to keep the kite in the air for an astonishingly long time.
Come on now, why the stupid hot takes like this?
Without Tesla electric vehicles would still be in the dark ages. Think whatever you want about Musk, but what he did for electric vehicles with Tesla cannot be understated or taken away. He revolutionised the entire industry and kickstarted the EV path we’re on.
what he did for electric vehicles with Tesla cannot be understated
I think you meant to say “cannot be overstated.” “Cannot be understated” means the opposite of the point you’re trying to make.
He definitely lit a fire under the asses of the traditional automakers, no doubt. But then he consistently threw away every advantage his company had, one after another.
Had they developed a normal-ass pickup truck they could’ve beaten the Lightning F-150 to market. But no, because Musk wanted to make a car as stupid and ill-advised as the DeLorean DMC-12 it resembles, design time took so long that by the time the thing hit the streets it wasn’t what truck owners wanted or what Tesla owners wanted. There was already an EV version of the best-selling pickup truck in the world. And he had, by that point, thoroughly torched his image among the people most likely to buy his cars.
Tesla definitely accelerated the development of EV models and infrastructure, but I personally think it’s easy to overstate Elon’s impact.
Elon Musk clearly has enourmous skillset at managing startups from their early stages though their explosive growth stages. He’s successfully done so both with Tesla and SpaceX. Unfortunately his management skills are clearly incompatible with running a large company that makes up a notable portion of a market. He should have stepped away from Tesla about a decade ago (possibly as much as 15 years ago). He should have stepped away from SpaceX about 5 years ago. He should be known for growing a promising disruptive startup into a true market player then immediately handing the reigns away and moving onto the next startup, but his ego is simply too big for that, and he doesn’t seem to have the introspection to see the damage he’s doing to the companies he built up
You’re right re:overstated, thanks for the correction.
Tesla didn’t want to build a regular pickup truck. They wanted to build something different, essentially a concept car. That should be applauded imo as a car fanatic.
No one in the history of the world has been more influential for electric cars than Elon Musk. I don’t think that’s even slightly debatable.
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Class action goes brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
I’m sure there’s some bullshit fine print about binding arbitration. It’s so cool that corporations can just say “we waive your fundamental rights because we feel like it” and it’s just…legal. Greatest country on earth.
Companies can say whatever they want in their fine print but it’s not legally binding. If you want to do a class action over this, go for it.
No, that’s literally not how binding arbitration works in the US.
Ass action go brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
By no means am I here to kink shame, but that’s super off topic.
Yes, I know & agree :(.
It’s just what my brainhole does to micro-entertain itself.
Snake oil salesman.
VW where rightly punished for Dieselgate yet seems like the Texan is getting away with it (again). I also blame the US media. Remember to this date Tesla has never spent a cent advertising in America, their entire hype machine has been fuelled by sites like The Verge (until they eventually woke up a few years back - by which point Tesla had already sold gazillions of shares and took customers deposits). This is why we need real journalism more than ever, the bodies that regulate these cowboys are no longer fit for purpose.
I hope every single person who has, or ever will, buy a cybertruck a lifetime of misery and misfortune
May they stub their toe on every step for the rest of their life
But also may they sue for false advertising and cost Tesla legal fees and result in them being obligated to provide these services for free.
DOGE already defunded that government department.
Nah thats the government’s ability to regulate.
He hasn’t defunded the courts, so private lawsuits can occur. (At least he hasn’t as of today, maybe he will tomorrow)
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