No you see it’s okay when Ukraine conducts a literal campaign of derussification in a region they also keep bombarding, cultural genocide is only something the evil see see pee does
The Donbass region is largely ethnically Russian, and has been systematically oppressed by Kiev, including erasure of the Russian language, and outright massacres following the secession of Donetsk and Luhansk post-Euromaidan.
Additionally, the USSR never colonized Ukraine, neither did the Russian Federation. The Banderites that took over Ukraine in 2014 are far-right nationalists, and as such are useful for NATO.
First off, the donbas is not majority russian. While it has the largest group of Russians in the country it is still majority Ukrainian.
Second, the ICJ and international association of genocide scholars investigated Russia’s claim of massacre and genocide and found them to be entirely baseless and fabricated to justify invasion.
Third, if this was about liberating the donbas, then Russia wouldn’t have gone all the way to Kyiv at the beginning of the invasion. Even still Russia occupies far more than the donbas.
I swear the way some of yall rush to defend Russia. You guys realize it’s not socialist anymore, right? That the country is ruled and controlled by capitalists? That capital interests like the oil in ukraine are what drive them?
I didn’t say the Donbass was majority Russian, I said it’s largely Russian, which is true. This is especially important considering it was added to Ukraine by the Soviet Union, and wasn’t considered Ukrainian beforehand.
Secondly, the civil war between Kiev and the Donbass region has been widely recorded and reported on. The advent of the Russo-Ukrainian War put that into the background, so that the west can pretend history started in 2022, but that’s false.
Third, the war is not about “liberating the Donbass region.” It’s about Russia securing the biggest land bridge into their territory, the Donbass region, and ensuring NATO neutrality. Demillitarizing Ukraine is a secondary goal for that second goal. Getting more territory than the Donbass region and destroying as much millitary equipment as possible ensures that Russia’s stated goals are met, and improves their bargaining position.
This isn’t a war of good vs evil, the world doesn’t work in such Marvel terms. Russia has consistent and clear goals, it isn’t some evil group of evildoers doing evil.
No, Marxists do not think Russia is still socialist. At the same time, it’s abundantly clear that this isn’t about oil, it’s about defending against NATO encirclement. If it was about oil, then it’s clear that losing customers by going to war would backfire, and that was clear before the war. There’s no evidence that this is a war for extraction, despite what the pro-NATO crowd protests.
Right, because drawing an allegory to the actions of the United States in the middle east as an example of doing something bad is the best way to praise the states
Right, and the oil is just a coincidence, that just so happened to be there. And the US invaded Iraq because of terrorists and nukes that weren’t there, the oil was just a coincidence.
No, I’m pointing out your hypocrisy in recognizing that Iraqi nukes and the war on terror were largely overplayed to justify the invasion of the middle east for oil but not recognizing when Russia does the same shit in Ukraine. But it seems like you’re the type to decide who to support based on a vague tribalist conception of “east vs west” rather than actually having any moral principles to rely on, so I apologize if my criticism of certain eastern and western actions simultaneously is too much for you to handle.
“No guys, it’s ok when Russia unapologetically invades a foreign country for oil, because you see that country is part of the west and west = bad”
No you see it’s okay when Ukraine conducts a literal campaign of derussification in a region they also keep bombarding, cultural genocide is only something the evil see see pee does
You’re really gonna say the attempts to distance themselves from the culture of their previous colonizers and current invaders is genocide?
The Donbass region is largely ethnically Russian, and has been systematically oppressed by Kiev, including erasure of the Russian language, and outright massacres following the secession of Donetsk and Luhansk post-Euromaidan.
Additionally, the USSR never colonized Ukraine, neither did the Russian Federation. The Banderites that took over Ukraine in 2014 are far-right nationalists, and as such are useful for NATO.
First off, the donbas is not majority russian. While it has the largest group of Russians in the country it is still majority Ukrainian.
Second, the ICJ and international association of genocide scholars investigated Russia’s claim of massacre and genocide and found them to be entirely baseless and fabricated to justify invasion.
Third, if this was about liberating the donbas, then Russia wouldn’t have gone all the way to Kyiv at the beginning of the invasion. Even still Russia occupies far more than the donbas.
I swear the way some of yall rush to defend Russia. You guys realize it’s not socialist anymore, right? That the country is ruled and controlled by capitalists? That capital interests like the oil in ukraine are what drive them?
I didn’t say the Donbass was majority Russian, I said it’s largely Russian, which is true. This is especially important considering it was added to Ukraine by the Soviet Union, and wasn’t considered Ukrainian beforehand.
Secondly, the civil war between Kiev and the Donbass region has been widely recorded and reported on. The advent of the Russo-Ukrainian War put that into the background, so that the west can pretend history started in 2022, but that’s false.
Third, the war is not about “liberating the Donbass region.” It’s about Russia securing the biggest land bridge into their territory, the Donbass region, and ensuring NATO neutrality. Demillitarizing Ukraine is a secondary goal for that second goal. Getting more territory than the Donbass region and destroying as much millitary equipment as possible ensures that Russia’s stated goals are met, and improves their bargaining position.
This isn’t a war of good vs evil, the world doesn’t work in such Marvel terms. Russia has consistent and clear goals, it isn’t some evil group of evildoers doing evil.
No, Marxists do not think Russia is still socialist. At the same time, it’s abundantly clear that this isn’t about oil, it’s about defending against NATO encirclement. If it was about oil, then it’s clear that losing customers by going to war would backfire, and that was clear before the war. There’s no evidence that this is a war for extraction, despite what the pro-NATO crowd protests.
The state department thanks you for your service patriot
Right, because drawing an allegory to the actions of the United States in the middle east as an example of doing something bad is the best way to praise the states
The state department doesn’t give a shit about your intent, just as long as you keep parroting their narratives
Invading for oil Vs invading to stop your mortal enemies from setting up a vassal state on your doorstep
Right, and the oil is just a coincidence, that just so happened to be there. And the US invaded Iraq because of terrorists and nukes that weren’t there, the oil was just a coincidence.
Are we on the same side of the argument? I’m so confused.
No, I’m pointing out your hypocrisy in recognizing that Iraqi nukes and the war on terror were largely overplayed to justify the invasion of the middle east for oil but not recognizing when Russia does the same shit in Ukraine. But it seems like you’re the type to decide who to support based on a vague tribalist conception of “east vs west” rather than actually having any moral principles to rely on, so I apologize if my criticism of certain eastern and western actions simultaneously is too much for you to handle.
If you say so.