A long, long time ago, someone asked that very question while sitting in a bait shop eating pizza. Of course there were no computers at the time so the question was about posting personal adds on the local notice board. The consensus was that it was a good idea but the fish monger, who managed the board, was against it. Try as they may the supporters could not convince them to change their mind. Eventually they gave up and decided to find another location for the personal adds. Looking down at the pizza box in front of them they had an idea. Why not put personal adds on the tops of peoples shoes. Then as they shuffled around town looking down as to not make eye contact with others, they would see the personal add. Of course this practice of not looking people in the eye made the need for a space for personal adds all the more urgent. The next problem was how to decide who’s shoes you would attach your add to and how to do it without sneaking into their homes at night. A young delivery clerk reached into their mouth and pulled out a very tired piece of bubble gum he had been chewing to the point it was devoid of flavour and use, except for the fact it was still very sticky. “We could put the notice on the ground and place some gum on it so when someone steps on them both, the notice will become attached to that persons shoe”. Immediately the crowd moaned that you wouldn’t be able to tell who would be the recipient of someones plea for love. The wanted to know how this could be resolved, to which the young clerk responded, “You can hire a gumshoe”.

Nice job on layout and content. Thanks very much.

Governments have both the ability to punish and reward. I’m simply trying to promote the latter. Now, one thing I loath is using taxpayer funds to help companies make money, so the research and implementation of a better way has to include an equity stake, or outright ownership.

They’ll change if the profit is to be made elsewhere. Also the threat of liability can help.

It’s so frustrating to watch these stupid, divisive policies being employed around the world. The need isn’t to seemingly punish those that love a thing, it is to offer an alternative that current methods cannot compete with. All this whole exercise has done is make enemies and caused pushback to the point that we have one step forward and two steps back.

It won’t be anything like the one experienced by them. (except for all the death, of course)

I just want to add that I do recognize waste as a problem and something I personally tackle every day and try to influence others to pay attention to. There are many things that need to be done on a much larger scale but without education it would never get support. One of my favourites would be to mandate product warranties.

Blaming the 1% is popular right now but not relevant to the impact population has on our world. Mineral extraction, land clearing for food production and the raping of our oceans is not being done for the 1%.

There are absolutely too many people on the planet. It’s not about waste (although that’s part of it) as much as there are limited resources to feed everyone and make all their toys. Now it is possible to feed everyone for some time but we will be doing it while the natural world disappears. Some care, some don’t.

They are already eliminating part of the population, picking you off one by one. Although it is necessary to reduce population in general, nobody is being honest about it. You are ALL too stupid to bother with at this point.

Chasing a buck is not a crime. If your government places specific sanctions to represent disapproval of a country then it can be. Ultimately there are people that care enough to remember these comedians transgressions and remind the world as appropriate. Chase a buck if you want but every action someone takes can have unforseen consequences. Time will tell.

I think it’s quite simple, really. In the absence of truth comes speculation. It’s not important who the “they” is and is irrelevant to the topic being challenged. What is important is to find a path to truth that can regain the public’s trust. “Extreme” transparency will now be required in order to regain that trust. As always the pendulum swings to great lengths and effectiveness.

Here’s one I really like. What I found makes it is that the mushrooms are fried first. https://www.allrecipes.com/recipe/235589/chef-johns-creamy-mushroom-soup/

Great thread, thanks for posting.

For the last long while I’ve considered the feelings people are having as similar to a dog that barks before an earthquake or when cows lay down before it rains. There may not be an understanding of the origins of our prophetic rumblings but their validity should not be discounted.

As for what form our future will take I find it sad watching all of you struggle with the evidentiary overload. It is not nearly as important to worry about what will happen as it is to decide what common outcomes there will be and how you want to prepare for them. Food and energy supply, gone. Government control and protection, gone. Reliability of these networks people talk of building, gone. What do you want to do in these circumstances? Starve? Kill? Die?

None of this is worth worrying about. Don’t let anxiety paralyze you. If you choose to do something then look at the broader picture. Do things that lead you to where you think you’ll be content. Learn to kill. Learn to die. Learn to survive. Many are taking that approach.

One last point. There is much of humanity that holds such promise. There is also much that proves our animal origins. My personal take is that we should absolutely be exterminated, though I’ve chosen to try to survive. Had we overcome our notion that our goodness as a species was beyond our taking the necessary steps to avoid this outcome, perhaps we would have conducted the necessary genetic engineering and population control that could have saved us. To be fair, very few would have thought this was even possible 50 or 100 years ago, but any such thoughts were very carefully controlled by people who knew better or were intentionally blinded by greed. It is these people I will be taking out my frustration on.

Sorry, I know this is not a positive message. It’s never popular to say the quiet parts out loud. The main point is I want to say don’t be discouraged. Good luck.

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I cannot profess to knowing that which I did not read, per say. Lol

Damn you!

As I said I won’t be reading this post I think it would be hypocritical to read any responses, so I won’t be reading this one either. Thanks best buddy!

Just for that I won’t be reading this post.

Smart thinking. All the best in your new life. Germany and europe should be booming for the next few years so hope you can take advantage. Cheers