I know, right? Those damn Ukrainian news websites spreading Russian propaganda about how bad things are in Ukraine.

I am ashamed of posting this, it’s so obvious that it’s just Russian lies, entirely unconvincing, amirite?

I have heard that Ukraine is a crazy fascist state. This seems to support that.

Of course no, what the hell are you talking about?

Ukraine is last bastion of democracy against the invading orcs who want to destroy the whole world!

We are all happy to be treated as Zelensky’s hostages and slaves, not being able to leave the country and each day having a chance of being violently kidnapped off the streets and then sent to die on the frontlines or get tortured by our officers are only minor inconveniences.

This community was created around the time when monero.town was totally unavailable due to being DDOSed IIRC.
Hopefully monerobull will manage to fix the problems with federation, if not - this one can function as a backup :)

A completely unmoderated instance […]

OP doesn’t ask for “unmoderated” instance though, they are explicitly asking for an instance that “takes moderation seriously”. Moderation is absolutely not the same thing as censorship.

Yes.

Thanks for telling me what I just said in my comment people already told me a million times, I guess? 🤷‍♂

Yeah yeah, “if we don’t kill you then Russia will”. Heard that one too many times from the good guys as well :)

Yet nobody was able to show me how people were wiped out in the liberated territories (Crimea, Melitopol, etc.), how millions of us living in Russia were wiped out, etc.

Again, you don’t get to make a surprised pikachu face when you are literally telling people whom you are trying to kill that they are Russian bots.

How can anyone in good faith support Zelensky, the bloodthirsty tyrant who turned my country into the biggest prison in the world where people are kidnapped off the streets, beaten, forced into vans and then sent to die in a meatgronder?

That’s a rhetorical question of course, I’ve heard the answer[s] so many times already, basically some version of “it’s a war so anything Zelensky does is absolutely normal/justifiable and it’s OK if you, your family and basically everyone you know dies, no big deal. No human rights apply to you, now please go and die fighting for my geopolitical interests”.

But you cannot make a surprised pikachu face after that and be shocked that people actually support the evil-evil Russia, which liberates people from the regime you support.

Thank you Mr. Zelensky for ensuring Ukraine stays free and independent country!

Shooting and droning people protesting against your rule and kidnappings lawful mobilization efforts is totally justified and democratic, because Ukraine is fighting for its survival and everybody who disagrees is an enemy of the free world and definitely deserves to be shot and droned!

1. had wartime conscription, and 2) executed deserters

Neither of that is what I asked you for (come on, you even quoted my reply in you reply - “massive campaign of kidnappings happening to people forbidden from leaving the country”, and then you proceeded to give an example of a completely different thing (also awful, but completely different)).

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Or do you know better how conscription worked in the WWs off the top of your head?

I don’t. But surely you do, as you’re trying to portray what happens in Ukraine as normal, so I am asking you to tell me about it.

Okay, then surely you can show me a shittone of examples of such a massive campaign of kidnappings happening to people forbidden from leaving the country because they are needed as cannon fodder that happened in modern history (let’s say last two centuries)?

They were flying b-52 bombers in Ukraine to show their readiness to deploy nukes.

TIL, thanks

https://www.kyivpost.com/post/8352

Both are effectively the same thing, a citizen pressed into service, against their will.

So “you cannot leave the country and will be kidnapped and forced to die a horrible death on the front lines” is the same as “you can freely leave the country but if you don’t you will have to do forced labour in military uniform for a year”.

Got it.

I can see I’m not going to succeed in changing your mind.

You are trying to tell me that it’s good (or at least justifiable/normal) that Zelensky wants to murder me, my friends my family and several million other people who happened to be born in Ukraine. Obviously you are not going to change my mind :/

Maybe look some stuff up. Especially when it comes to conditions in russia

What stuff are you suggesting me to loop up? While I personally never visited Russia, I have close friends from Russia, several others who visited it, so I know from “first-hand” sources what’s it like there… (More or less the same shithole as Ukraine, but without kidnapping and with ability to leave)

That’s literally what conscription means in legal terms

No. Conscription is you get summons and have to do military service (which is also totally wrong but a different thing). If you refuse you get sent to jail. You can simply leave the country if you don’t like that.

What happens in Ukraine is kidnapping random people off the streets (who are forbidden from leaving the country), putting them into vans and sensing them to die.

Conscription is done in preparation for “mass kidnappings of cannon fodder”, as you put it.

No?..

Russia has conscription but not kidnapping part and forbidding to leave the country part. So do many other countries.

Cuba

1. I said “countries that are considered “good” and “democratic”” by the west. Does Cuba fit that definition now?
2. “Conscription” - that’s not what am I talking about though. Conscription (which is also absolutely wrong of course) is indeed present in a lot of countries. Mass kidnappings of cannon fodder that is not allowed to leave is quite unique to Zelensky’s regime.

Russia has mandatory military conscription. If they want to send you to war, they can, and will, paid or unpaid. Is this news to you? The laws are in place, but Putin is avoiding them for fear of national backlash.

Why this would be news to me, and how is this relevant to out conversation? In Ukraine people are forbidden to leave the country so that they can be kidnapped off the streets and used as cannon fodder. In Russia neither is happening.

and russias economy is eating itself alive to be able to keep paying fighters more and more

Yeah western medias are talking for three years now about an imminent economic collapse of Russia and every time it doesn’t happen, but instead it becomes a fourth largest economy in the world…

It’s a vicious cycle that’s going to culminate in involuntary conscription being the only option left to keep invading

See, you are speaking speculation again (which might or might not happen, I don’t know, I can’t see the future). While I am telling you facts (about closed borders, kidnappings, etc. that do happen in Ukraine but not in Russia).

and I am absolutely certain, will, send people to die against their will.

Speculation again.

And it is “happening again” right now. Last time, it was Georgia.

What exactly happened in Georgia? Russia helped South Ossetia become independent of Georgia, and did not conquer Georgia (which is apparently the goal of an evil Putin who dreams about conquring the world, accorsing to western media) despite its army being a striking distance away from the capital?

Well, I personally stopped caring about a [western definition of] democracy when I learned that closing borders and not letting people out, kidnapping people off the streets, beating them, holding in basements for days and then sending them to the meatgrinder is actually entirely democratic while elections, forming political parties, etc. apparently is not.

Dictatorships are not as scary as western “democracy”.

What I do not understand, is your preference for a leader guilty of the very same crime, but for the difference that he sends people to die, in offense.

Do you see a difference between people being kidnapped off the streets and sent to die (Ukraine) and people being paid to join the army (Russia) (basically just a high risk job)?
I don’t know why are you even comparing those two scenarios…

If Ukraine surrenders, this will all happen again the next time Putin would like some more territory.

This is a speculation.

And then, you and the people you care about, would be subject to the very same danger that current citizens of russia are. If not even moreso.

Why would Putin sacrifice from his pools of supporters, when he can conscript from newly conquered territory?

What is this danger? Tell me more about it. Is it the danger of being able to leave the country at any moment? Is it the danger of not being kidnapped off the street and instead being offered a voluntary contract to join army?