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arrow-up158arrow-down1external-linkTeenagers plan to flee as Kyiv faces pressure to call up the youngwww.thetimes.com☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmy.ml to World News@lemmy.mlEnglish · 1 year agomessage-square19linkfedilink
minus-squaretheonlytruescotsman@sh.itjust.worksBannedlinkfedilinkEnglisharrow-up15arrow-down4·1 year agoSure seems like they’re winning.
minus-squaresexy_peach@feddit.orglinkfedilinkarrow-up5arrow-down10·1 year agoThey’re not winning. They’re trying to prevent the worst.
minus-squareMarxMadness@lemmygrad.mllinkfedilinkEnglisharrow-up9·1 year agoThe worst would be getting a bunch more people killed and then still losing
minus-squarejol@discuss.tchncs.delinkfedilinkarrow-up8·1 year agoHm teenage pregnancy and vaping I guess?
minus-squareCyberMonkey404@lemmy.mllinkfedilinkarrow-up5·1 year agoReasonably certain those are already present in Ukraine
minus-squarehubobes@sh.itjust.workslinkfedilinkarrow-up8arrow-down6·1 year agoPreventing the complete loss of their sovereignty—essentially preserving their nation in the face of aggression?
minus-squaretheonlytruescotsman@sh.itjust.worksBannedlinkfedilinkEnglisharrow-up6arrow-down6·1 year ago…so they should’ve taken the first peace deal in 2014 before Russia backed the Republics of donetsk and luhansk in their uprising?
minus-squaresexy_peach@feddit.orglinkfedilinkEnglisharrow-up5arrow-down1·1 year agoWho guarantees that they get peace in return?
minus-squaretheonlytruescotsman@sh.itjust.worksBannedlinkfedilinkEnglisharrow-up4arrow-down5·1 year agoNo one can ever guarantee anything, but Russia wouldn’t fuck with them if there’s an actual deal and they abide by it instead of violating it.
minus-squarecatloaf@lemm.eelinkfedilinkEnglisharrow-up6arrow-down2·1 year agoThat’s a real big if, and history indicates it would be unlikely.
minus-squaresexy_peach@feddit.orglinkfedilinkEnglisharrow-up3arrow-down4·1 year agoI understand the Ukrainians mistrust.
minus-squaretheonlytruescotsman@sh.itjust.worksBannedlinkfedilinkEnglisharrow-up5arrow-down5·1 year agoWhy? They violated the previous treaty not Russia.
minus-squareB0rax@feddit.orglinkfedilinkarrow-up4arrow-down3·1 year agoLet’s not forget who is attacking and who is defending…
minus-squaretheonlytruescotsman@sh.itjust.worksBannedlinkfedilinkEnglisharrow-up5arrow-down1·1 year agoLet’s not forget who broke their treaty precipitating the attack.
minus-squaremagikmw@lemm.eelinkfedilinkarrow-up5arrow-down5·1 year agoYou give up a finger, russians have always taken the whole arm.
minus-squaresexy_peach@feddit.orglinkfedilinkEnglisharrow-up2arrow-down7·1 year agoBeing under russian occupation.
minus-squaredavel@lemmy.mllinkfedilinkEnglisharrow-up11arrow-down1·1 year agoI’m pretty sure being kidnapped off the streets and marched to front lines to die is worse, but okay.
Sure seems like they’re winning.
They’re not winning. They’re trying to prevent the worst.
The worst would be getting a bunch more people killed and then still losing
Which would be?
Hm teenage pregnancy and vaping I guess?
Reasonably certain those are already present in Ukraine
Preventing the complete loss of their sovereignty—essentially preserving their nation in the face of aggression?
…so they should’ve taken the first peace deal in 2014 before Russia backed the Republics of donetsk and luhansk in their uprising?
Who guarantees that they get peace in return?
No one can ever guarantee anything, but Russia wouldn’t fuck with them if there’s an actual deal and they abide by it instead of violating it.
That’s a real big if, and history indicates it would be unlikely.
I understand the Ukrainians mistrust.
Why? They violated the previous treaty not Russia.
Let’s not forget who is attacking and who is defending…
Let’s not forget who broke their treaty precipitating the attack.
You give up a finger, russians have always taken the whole arm.
Being under russian occupation.
I’m pretty sure being kidnapped off the streets and marched to front lines to die is worse, but okay.